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vid title: Closer ("For Jamie")
music: String Quartet Tribute to Nine Inch Nails
source: 9 Songs, Lie With Me, and Shortbus
duration: 3:35
warning: This vid contains full name and female nudity, as well as sexually explicit scenes. You must be over 16 or over the age of consent for your country, whichever is greater, to view this vid.
summary: A meta!porn vid using movies with various levels of real sex. I wanted to explore the point when voyerism becomes participation, the nature of vidding, the blurry line between art and pornography, and sex itself.
notes: I promised

kuwdora I would post our chat to go along with the vid, so those are here:

download: 30mb avi

XneyStripped (11:34:04 PM): A lot of it is waiting for source. I doing one that's porn meta and I have a long wait for the last movie from Blockbuster.
kuwdora (11:35:10 PM): Ohh, porn meta huh.
XneyStripped (11:35:22 PM): It uses Shortbus, Lie with Me, and 9 Songs, which are movies of various levels of real sex. I used the Jamie footage from Shortbus to make a meta statement about how vidding...
XneyStripped (11:35:48 PM): pretty much is fan porn
kuwdora (11:36:35 PM): That is fucking awesome.
XneyStripped (11:36:49 PM): For research I watched a bunch of porn and I was left with one question: why is there so much spit in porn?!?!? There is not that much in my sex life. Am I doing it wrong? o_0
kuwdora (11:37:06 PM): Someone on my flist awhile go actually recced a video that was a porn pairing, using thesee two porn actors I didn't know and making it into a storyline to the Magnetic Fields.
kuwdora (11:37:11 PM): LOL
XneyStripped (11:37:37 PM): Coolness. I think every vid should have some porn to go with it.
kuwdora (11:37:37 PM): You definitiely should make sure to put that comment in your vidder's notes.
kuwdora (11:38:03 PM): Yes.
XneyStripped (11:38:26 PM): I am going to because I'm seriously concerned. How is *haaacktooo* a sexy sound?
kuwdora (11:38:52 PM): *facepalms and laughs*
XneyStripped (11:40:37 PM): And who actually says, "oh yeah, fuck my tight little pussy" during sex? Only porn stars whose vagina is probably like throwing a hotdog down a hallway.
kuwdora (11:41:19 PM): Perhaps you should make a vid that comments on those kinds of particulars. >_>
kuwdora (11:41:42 PM): real sex vs. commercialized fantasy sex.
XneyStripped (11:42:18 PM): See that's thing... Does a movie with real sex automatically make it porn?
kuwdora (11:42:55 PM): Well, one has to define porn first.
XneyStripped (11:43:31 PM): If real sex equals porn, then Risky Business is a porn because many people in the crew claim that the leads really had sex. It's hard to define porn.
kuwdora (11:43:38 PM): Generally porn is considered anything that stimulates arousal, erotic feelings in a person, with the full *intention* of making somebody aroused.
kuwdora (11:44:11 PM): there's like an awareness behind the deal that's like "Yes, this is supposed to turn you on."
kuwdora (11:44:55 PM): Real sex isn't for show, it's intetention is for their partners arsoual and no one else's.
kuwdora (11:45:10 PM): real sex turns into porn when people do the voyouer thing and webcam themselves for the world to see.
XneyStripped (11:45:29 PM): Hmm, I've been thinking more on the terms of sex and art, sex and pornography, etc.
kuwdora (11:45:56 PM): I think those are different sides framing the same picture.
XneyStripped (11:46:13 PM): Speaking of webcam porn, there's an art thingy that someone did where they took all the shots in online porn where the people look at the camera.
XneyStripped (11:46:18 PM): It's creepy.
kuwdora (11:46:25 PM): :-/
XneyStripped (11:47:37 PM): Out of all the porn sites that I looked at, only one was cool.
XneyStripped (11:48:27 PM): Seriously. Where is the good porn people?

XneyStripped (11:53:48 PM): The only cool site I found was http://ifeelmyself.com/public/main.php

kuwdora (11:54:11 PM): Do you know of ... oh, shit, what's the name of the website..
kuwdora (11:54:31 PM): It's the one where people submit videos of themselves masturbating, but it's only video of their faces and nothing else.
XneyStripped (11:55:03 PM): Ohhh, looking at the site, I've totally heard of Blowfish. I saw a documentary that meantioned it.
XneyStripped (11:55:19 PM): beautifulagony?
kuwdora (11:55:21 PM): OH there's an ad for it on the website you just gave me. Beautiful Agony.
kuwdora (11:55:32 PM): Yeah, I thought that one was interesting premise.
XneyStripped (11:55:36 PM): yep, that one was interesting too.
kuwdora (11:55:40 PM): Actually makes it kind of good reference when writing porn.
XneyStripped (11:56:01 PM): I know! I totally used some it for my Femslash day porn.
XneyStripped (11:56:31 PM): I was like, "oh, so that's interesting", then I took out the spitting.
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kuwdora (11:56:37 PM): LOL spitting.

It's entirely odd to see her username with a strike through it. Strikethroughs make the baby Jesus sad... And onto the meta porn.

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vimeo is the only streaming service where I use a password. they try to aim for the 'artistic' film makers. which I think your vid fits perfectly. :-)

I've been using a password on vimeo for home movies.

I've come across a lot of interesting things surfing around vimeo. I think their choice in target audience is interesting.

Ah, ok, I see now. That all makes sense of some of the clip choices and such.

I made the decision to watch the surface, readily available, and free stuff for the general population. And wow. Was it awful. I couldn't watch most of it because it had too much spit, or low quality, or severe objectification. I wanted to study that aspect, but I feel like I more bought into it than commented on it.

I have to chuckle here. At the "and wow. Was it awful" bits. I mean - yeah. The more mainstreamy porn and erotic films are pretty numbing and sometimes strange and bizarre in their own right.

Heh. National anthem rimming ftw. :DDDD

This was really amazing - once you see the working on the timeline at 1:10, you can just totally see where the point is headed.

What's really interesting too is how much more the girls are getting head. I haven't seen a lot of that basic mainstream het porn on the internet (because, wow, it really is that bad), but am pretty sure it tends to be the other way around. Like arty film porn is more For Us. Which goes right back to the other point. Wow.

Thank you.

I debated how soon to bring in the vidding aspect. I wanted to set up the other things before starting the vidding meta.

The women receiving oral sex came about for a couple reasons. Honestly, I think pensises are ugly and the scenes of men getting blowjobs had angles I didn't like, so I didn't want to use them. The scenes of the women were shot more stylistically, which made me want to use them too.

I am ... so intrigued. And I'm enjoying the comments up above, too.

One thing I find interesting about my own reaction is that I didn't find most of those clips especially arousing or captivating as porn, though they were completely captivating as pieces of your vid narrative/thesis. I'm not exactly an experienced porn watcher, so I trotted over to pornotube to see what else the world has to offer, and yeah, decontextualized sex is boring boring boring. Which makes me think about PWP fanfic, which I like just fine ... but good PWP may not have plot, but it has tons of character ... which is noticeably missing from much commercial stuff. Heh. This may require further research! *jots down titles you clipped for your vid*

The one exception was the clip right at the very end, with the woman bracing up on her arms and looking straight at the camera with a tiny, bedroom-eyed smile. That made me go, "Whoa," and think thinky thoughts about who that woman is in the vid -- some combination of author/performer/character that we all are as we write/perform for each other in fandom, exposing ourselves through our written fantasies, using characters as conduits, etc. I don't know if the point is to pin down exactly who the woman is, but her gaze and her placement in the vid make her powerful -- a subject, an artist figure (even if her only art is making good sex) with a knowing, desiring gaze turned back on the viewer, rather than just an object being gazed at. She's fascinating.

>lj user="paian"> just posted an SG-1 story (http://paian.livejournal.com/120124.html?style=mine) today (utterly readable as origfic) that's about characters watching porn, watching each other watch porn, making porn (starring other people) for each other, and even being watched by the pornographer. It's a really cool piece of fandom to pair up with this vid.

I love fandom! I love that you made this bold thing.

I'm so glad this isn't locked down. I got here through a rec by a fandom friend, and I'm so glad I did. I've been having a lot of discussions about "What IS porn for women?" on my LJ lately; like you, I'm not sure I understand porn/not-porn. I've taken to calling what most people call "porn" as "Mainstream porn" just so everyone knows what I'm talking about. But I try to explain slash fiction to my husband and he just doesn't consider it porn.

This video was beautiful, and honestly, I was totally unfamiliar with the movies used in it. I will be sure to hunt them down, they look important. Thanks SO much for making this, and posting it! May I link back to this post in a recommendation on my own LJ? If not, okay, but I sure would love for many, many people to see this excellent and thought-provoking vid. ♥

Wow. Thanks for the feedback.

I had hoped that the vid brought out personal reactions and reflections on the subjects and themes. I still don't know the answers to my questions. I realized it's all up to the viewers and producers. I still don't understand porn either. The line is so blurry between porn and art. Add to that I don't have a definition of what porn even is.

Most porn is awful awful awful.

*jots down titles you clipped for your vid*
All three are interesting movies. You would get a whole different reading of the vid too.

YES! I totally wanted the Warrior Woman, as I called her, to have play a large role and ask those questions.

I don't understand what porn is any more than I did before I started the vid. Mainstream porn is the best term.

Thanks. There are maybe 3 people in the world who have watched all three movies.

Link away. I'm a whore for recommendations.

Thank you! I've recced it:
http://mikes-grrl.livejournal.com/102691.html

I do hope to be the fourth who has seen all three. lol! Well it's a goal, anyway...

Truly amazing vid. I've seen at least two of those films. And I love the music choice here.

I don't even have anything vaguely coherent to say about it, except that I think our community needs LOTS more meta on whatever this thing is that we're doing here, with the fic and the art and the vids, and so on. We're making something that hasn't been available to women, at least openly and on this scale, ever before. Something that satisfies what mainstream media are not giving us...because they're really not making it for us. Your vid is fascinating commentary on...well, on both, I think. What mainstream media are making...and what we're remaking out of it. (And I LOVE that the major "vidder" in your vid is male!)

This one will bear some rewatching and lots of thinking about, and I'll definitely rec it as well.

Thanks for sharing it!

Cool. I only know of people who've watched one of the movies. It's great to hear someone has watched two. :)

Meta is a deep love of mine. I want to take a bath in it... but it would probably leave me dirty.

Thanks!

Huh, this was very interesting. I have nothing smart to say right now, but it made me think, and I'll definitely be rewatching it.

Thanks. :) No thinky thoughts required.

I am way late to this party but this vid is incredible! It is incredibly hot and thinky in the best way.

Thanks! I loved making it. :)

I followed a rec here and was sad to see that the download link doesn't seem to be working -- is there a new link?

new link. (http://www.sendspace.com/file/rxlurm)

Thank you!

I found your vid via rec and it's really impressive! I'd really like to download it and put it on my ipod but the link doesn't work anymore. If it's not too much trouble, would you be able to upload it again?

I had to dig for this, wow, I feel old. (http://www.sendspace.com/file/e8okxo) :)

Thank you so much!

Hiya there - I know this post is kind of old, but this is one of my favouritest vids, and sadly my external HD died on me, taking my download of it with it. :( Any chance for a re-upload?

(Seriously, this vid is so awesome - it's hot, and then it makes you think about it.)

LJ stopped sending me notifications, so this is from a while ago, but: https://www.sendspace.com/file/a4r0db

And thank you. :)

Thanks so much!

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